• COMMUNITY
  • |
  • MY STUFF
  • |
  • DISCUSSIONS
  • |
  • CHAPTERS
  • |
  • GROUPS
  • |
  • PHOTOS
  • |
  • INVITE
  • |
  • EVENTS
  • |
  • FIND OTHERS
    Discussions

    Search Discussion
    Categories
    There are no topic categories.
    Most Recent Posts
    Margaret says:
    Hello, I am looking for activities for a 12 year old girl who is recently in a wheelchair.  She is paralyzed from the chest down with limited fu...

    Elizabeth  says:
    Hi Yes ! I did try horse therapy. I have MS and I can go with neural pain in a leg, but sure it doesn't hurt when I'm riding this Paso Fino Ho...

    From wheelchair basketball to conquering the Coliseum, what are you doing to fun?  
    View All TopicsSubscribePost a Topic
    20 Posts
    C4-5 air travel planned and wondering how will get into seat
    By DeniseCan   
    Hi,
    My grandson will be 17 soon and is man size. His injury was when he was 14 and the last time we air traveled, I was still able to pick him up and carry him to his seat. Now he is 6'1" and about 170-180 pounds and my 5'3" frame will no longer allow that. We are booked through Delta airlines and traveling from Detroit to Orlando FL. next October. He has a full size (cadilac) wheelchair with chin control as he has no control over his trunk and minimal arm movement.
    Concerns:
    1. Getting him into seat. We won't be able to place him on the skinny aisle wheelchair and transfer him.
    2.what to do with his wheelchair and all the parts so they arrive safely and not broken. Since we are going to Disney, we really want him to be able to get around on his own so putting him in a manual chair would be labor intensive for us.
    3.Do we need to find out about how much we can check on to include all his equipment?
    4. Am I forgetting anything????? Something I should know.
    Like I said, I did this one other time, but he was about 100 lbs then and in a manual chair and airline regulations have changed also. Any help or suggestions would be great.

    Denise
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyRemoveEditUnsubscribeSubscribe

    Visit JLo's profile
    210 Posts
    JLo  says:
    Hi Denise,

    It seems there have been a lot of travel questions in the community lately!  I'm excited to hear about all this travel going on! I wrote a travel piece about wheelchair users that you can can see here. There are some helpful tips for you there.

    Specifically in the story, take a look at the section towards the bottom "Going by air." I talked to the company MedAire for this section about rules and regulations that airlines must follow that many indiviudals living with disabilities don't know about.

    Also, I am hoping others will respond to you with more specific answers to your questions, however,  I would say certainly be in constant contact with your airline. Seek them out for their regulations, etc. And again, look at the "Going by air" section! Check the story out, I hope this helps!
    Posted:   
    Janelle
    Communications Coordinator
    Christopher & Dana Reeve Foundation
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit DeniseCan's profile
    20 Posts
    DeniseCan  says:
    Thanks for the information and link. I did read that and unfortunately didn't tell me enough. Hopefully others will help with tips and share experiences. I am really concerned how we get this "big boy" from his chair to their seat:)
    Posted:   
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit prc_donnal's profile
    104 Posts
    prc_donnal  says:
    Hi, Denise!

    I am an information spoecialist with the PRC. I have  a fact sheet on travel for people with disabilities. It includes organizations such as the Society for Accessible Travel and Hospitality.

    Please call me at 800 539-7309. My extension is 7202. I would be happy to mail it to you.

    Sincerely,
    Donna
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit a-t's profile
    31 Posts
    a-t  says:

    We are very precise as to  (repetition is always a good idea) exactly what our needs are: bulkhead seating, and being specific about a two-person full lift from w/c to aisle chair, and into seat.  We tell them when we check in, and again when we get to the gate.  We make it clear that my husband is paralyzed (don't assume that they will figure this out).  We explain how any other than bulkhead doesn't work, as those long legs completely block the inner seats.  We make sure they understand that we must sit together.  My husband (6'2") overflows the aisle chair, but they strap him in and cinch him down, and he survives ok.  I hover and direct, as, no matter how well-intentioned, people don't understand about spasticity and the unique quirks of each person in a w/c. That is to be expected.  The airline employees appreciate our early arrival so they have plenty of time to hunt down the aisle chair, find the extra lifters, etc.  We act as though we have done this a million times, and know what we are doing. (!)

    We take all loose parts of my husband's manual w/c into the plane with us, and trust the airline will be kind to the chair.  They are well-instructed to handle all types of w/c's, but we have never traveled with our power chair.  I would by all means take yours - just communicate fully and repeatedly - as for his cushion, that is a crap shoot.  Some airlines wink and let you substitute it for the seat cushion, others have a fit.  If it is a long flight, I lean harder.  If he has an air cushion, be aware that at altitude it will be harder.  People don't understand at all about pressure sores, so, educate, educate!

    We have always been able to bring a bag (traveling commode stuffed with extra equipment) and claim it as medical supplies, and it goes for free.  Sometimes you have to work it a bit, but if you sweetly stand your ground, they come around.  Mostly, as soon as you start listing catheters, or commode, they rush you through!  :^)

     At security, you and your grandson will be taken to the head of the line, and he will go to a special area and be thoroughly searched and patted down.  Meanwhile, you will be taking trays of stuff through the xray machines - take as much of his stuff (backpack, hat, wallet, etc) as you can so he does not have to deal with it.   We found that they do not like us to come near while they are doing their bit, and I have made the mistake of giving my husband back his hat before they are done - ouch.  They have dealt with many people in w/c's, so my husband just relaxes and lets them do their thing, with this special quiet dignity that he has.  

    Mostly, we find people eager to help, and I would guess your beautiful grandson will win hearts and attract lots of airline employees happy to make his trip fun and successful. Give yourselves lots of extra time, and have a wonderful wonderful time!
      
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit DeniseCan's profile
    20 Posts
    DeniseCan  says:
    Thank you a-t.
    That is the kind of help I am looking for. Your husband is tall too like my grandson and my concern is the limited space they have to maneuver and picking him up and getting him in the seat. He has MUCH nerve pain in his left arm and typically doesn't like anyone to touch it, but grits his teeth when he has to be picked up. So we can expect they will lift him for us to get him in the seat? I found out my son (his father) is now traveling with us and when they are at home he picks him up and transfers her from his chair to be on rare occasion. I don't want him lifting him like that on the plane because I don't want him hurt before we get to Disney. Plus the environment is different than his bedroom with his bed raised up. I'm a nurse myself and can be a bit direct:) but I need to know what to expect before I can put on my assertiveness.
    Like I said, the last time we flew. He had just turned 15 and weighed about 70 pounds less and about 5 inches shorter. My sister and I did a two man lift and put him on the plane seat. Those days are long gone. I haven't been able to pick him up in over a year. I am only 5'3" and a touch older. He is now man size!!!
    We are so excited to be able to go on this trip. We are meeting his mom, brother and sisters when we get to Florida. I know Disney does a great job with disabled individuals also. I have been there before with my husband. Before he passed, he was in a wheelchair also but more able bodied than Kyle.
    THANK YOU so much for your input. If anyone else has suggestions, please feel free to add. I like hearing your experiences so I have a better idea of what to expect.
    Denise
    Posted:   
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit marvin's profile
    1 Posts
    marvin  says:

    I travel to with delta and always request in advance front row, it has the most leg room,  Two guys do transfer but in isle chair front the door it a short distance.  I go from grand rapids on smaller plane to dtm than philippines and have chair damage last 3 flights.  You want to remove all u can from chair that u can but 1 flight should be safe.  good luck
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit a-t's profile
    31 Posts
    a-t  says:
    I can see how the lift concerns you.  You are not necessarily dealing with people trained to do this.  So there you are at the end of the jetway, and two (often non-English speaking) people are ready to just heave Kyle onto the aisle chair.  We take the time to establish contact - after all we are all humans - "Hello, thanks for helping us.  This is my grandson Kyle, who is paralyzed.  He has severe nerve pain, and lifts are uncomfortable for him.  We have a very special way we need to do it - can we explain it to you?"  ETC.  Sometimes we get a person who has all the answers, and that can be funny and extremely irksome at the same time.  Oh the stories we can tell!!  But if we can get them to slow down by making human connection, things change, and magic happens.  People mostly really want to help.  As for the space, they seem to manage ok with one person in back and one in front.  Watch Kyle's head when they put him in the seat - when they lift him over the arm it comes really close.  Also, funny things like, they might forget to unbuckle him from the aisle chair or lift up the aisle chair arm.  I have seen them struggle to lift my husband who is still strapped into the chair!!  

    I thought too about how I tend to speak for my husband, which is a bad habit, partly because his voice was damaged from his neck surgery, and because he doesn't always assert himself as fiercely as I do on his behalf.  Can Kyle direct a transfer?  Is this something you can make a plan for?  He obviously isn't a boy anymore, and allowing himself to establish a presence that speaks of  his confidence and maturity might be the exact ticket to having the experiences he wants.  They made us practice this in rehab, but did anyone enable Kyle in this way at the age of 14?  Probably not.

    It sounds like your family is going to have a blast.  As my dad always used to say, "Let me get my hat and coat and go with you!"  
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit DeniseCan's profile
    20 Posts
    DeniseCan  says:

    Great suggestions again a-t. Kyle did learn some of those techniques in rehab and quite frankly we do ask him to tell us regularly how he wants to be handled. I am really glad to know they will do a two man lift, we have to show up early, be clear on our needs and then be super kind to them and things will go smoothly..we hope. I/we can do that. I can prepare Kyle in advance and since we have traveled before we can go off of that a little. Major difference is we are not doing the lifting, they will.
    I am open to hearing more if anyone has any different suggestions.

    Thanks everyone:)
    Denise

    Posted:   
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit Zachary's profile
    3 Posts
    Zachary  says:

    I'm a c5/6 and travel on airplanes frequently. I'm 25. I have more mobility than Kyle, but I completely understand all of the issues associated with his travel needs.  I'm also 6 feet tall and about 170 pounds.  All of the advice you've gotten is great and completely accurate.  I just have a few suggestions to add.

    The first is to stress taking as many removable parts of the wheelchair with you on the plane and educate the person who takes the chair away about how to lock the chair.

    I have also brought bubble wrap and tape with me and wrapped parts of the chair that might get banged and broken after being transferred into the aisle chair.

    My chair has been damaged on flights and if that should happen it might not be a bad idea to research wheelchair repair companies in Orlando and call them ahead of time to see if they would be able to work on whatever type of chair Kyle has.  Every time my chair has been damaged the airline has paid 100% with little hassle.

    Zack
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit Linda's profile
    2 Posts
    Linda  says:
    The airlines have persons trained to help with wheelchair travelers. They can help him board and into his seat. After the other passengers have left, they will help him leave. They also have several options for stowing his wheelchair.  Contact them in advance.

    lw
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit King's profile
    2 Posts
    King  says:
    Hello Denise, my name is Bryan King. I was on American Choppers and I won a chopper that OCC made me. I put in for it and I was so lucky to have one it. I designed it and they made it work out for me to drive it. I am a T-3, T-4 para for the last 10 years this Feb 1st. When I wen to New York from San Diego, they put me on a skinny wheel chair that they strapped me in and pulled me to my seat and they did all the lifting. You shouldn't have to do anything. It was my first time since my accident and I had no idea how they were going to do it, you would think they would give me the front seats. Well that didn't happen. My seat was way in the middle or the back. You do have to let them know right away so you can board first, but you do have to get off last. I hope that helps. You can still my episode on TLC every now and then. Take it easy. You can email me if you have any questions at paralyzing@sbcglobal.net. I really don't mind. I don't know everything but I will do my best.
    Talk to you later,
    Bryan King
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit DeniseCan's profile
    20 Posts
    DeniseCan  says:
    Wow, Thank you everyone for your encouragement. My last flight with him, when I picked him up and transferred him, was because no one would help us. They just stood there and looked at me, so I said excuse me and I just picked him up with my sister. I figured that is how it would always be this time too. I have learned otherwise now. I feel so much better now traveling with him. Good points about finding a wheelchair parts place in Orlando. I sent that information on to my daughter-in-law.
    One of the facilitators commented on seeing many more traveling questions now than ever before must mean there are many more traveling, tells me the airlines have made more accommodations in the past 2 years.
    I really appreciate all the input. I like the bubble wrap idea also:)
    Thanks again
    Denise
    Posted:   
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit Michael Collins's profile
    6 Posts
    Denise,
    Your grandson is lucky to have you doing this advance homework, and traveling with him. Most of the comments I've read in response are accuate, and you can contact dot.gov to view a pamphlet that will help: the Rights of Air Travelers with Disabilities. If you can send me an email address, I'll send back a couple of articles I've had published on Flying With a Power Wheelchair. It's not as scary as you might think.
    unklmike@comcast.net
    Posted:   
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit

    Visit DeniseCan's profile
    20 Posts
    DeniseCan  says:
    After seeing the news today and the fines against Delta Airllines, it is easy to see why I was concerned. However, because of the charges I am sure things will go much better than feared. It does remind me of our flight two years ago (can't remember which airline) where they all stood around and watched me pick him up and carry him. Including the pilot and flight attendant and NO ONE offered to help....not even the guys that were "supposed to" but said they weren't allowed to lift. LOL

    RoboDad, I'll send you an email.

    http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/17/news/companies/delta_airlines_disabilities_fined/


    Posted:   
    Denise
    Block signature
    ReplyDirect LinkRemoveEdit